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From: Leger Daniel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Q: Yielding Time While in a Lenghty Process
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My application goes thru a time consuming routine and doesn't
return to the event loop for several minutes. What is the proper
way to yield time to other applications, including the OS? Is it by
calling SystemTask() on a regular basis while in the lenghty routine?

Thanks,

Daniel Leger
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Call WaitNextEvent at regular intervals. Don't call it all the time.
Maybe once every 20 ticks or something. Fudge around until your program
is comfortable.

Tai Hou TNG
Singapore
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Subject: your romance ad in USSR                                                                                                                             Ot V   A U@| Ol (Unverified)
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       ##    meet women of the former USSR through romance ads    ##

     Months ago, Olga Kosmina placed my personal ad in several papers of the
former Soviet Union.  Since that time I have received over 40 responses for
the $50 I mailed Olga.  (I believe she paid the newspapers something around
$35 and kept the rest for her efforts.)
     I have found greater success and savings by placing my own personal
romance advertisement rather than purchasing addresses through Russian "bride"
catalog companies.
     If you are interested in placing a personal romance ad as I did, contact
Olga.  She has built up a list of most every newspaper and magazine in the
former Soviet Union and could help direct your ad to certain areas if you
wish.  She writes, "please say that I place all ad _throughout_ Russia and
other countries of former Soviet Union, not only Western Russia."
     Olga is 23 years old, has a bachelors in biology and works full-time as a
florist in Kiev.  She speaks, reads and writes English as well as her native
languages of Russian and Ukrainian.
     I realize that it is a very trusting person who would put $ into an
envelope and mail to a foreign country.  If you would rather send a letter of
inquiry first, Olga will respond to your questions.  It takes about 16 days
for a letter to travel from the USA to Kiev.

Olga Kozmina
Dekabristov Street 5 - 178
Kiev 253121
Ukraine

     I have found that by placing a single bill between two pieces of
newsprint inside an envelope, the Ukrainian post cannot see through and does
not bother to tamper.  I have yet to lose a letter sent to Kiev.  I am sorry
that Olga does not have e-mail because it would make contact with her much
easier.
     I am posting anonymously because of the inordinate amount of e-mail which
 I would receive -- inquiries as well as flames.

Best Wishes,

David and Olga

     Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette,"
she believes that helping others exceeds the cost of angering those who feel
the net should not be used in this fashion.
     IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site.

peace. . .

>From [e-mail] Wed Jul  5 21:27:04 PDT 1995
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        God I hope this list does not become like my other list with this waste
of bandwith!!



        Sorry about sending this to the whole list, but the org. poster used a
fake address and I wanted to make sure he saw this.

Later,
Jlr.
>From [e-mail] Wed Jul  5 21:55:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: ADMIN: archives available for ftp
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From: "Mark D. Nagel" <[e-mail]>

Although I have had the ftp archives partially setup for some time, I
haven't yet made their existence public knowledge.  I have created a
semi-structured area containing source code and other useful files
for TC and SC++ developers and placed it at:

    ftp://ftp.rdatasys.com/pub/think-c

Updates are made as often as I have time and find new things to add.
These days, more and more of the contents include both THINK and
Metrowerks source code.  Some have only Metrowerks.  I think the code
packages are still useful, though, so they are included.  The only
items not available in the ftp area are the list message archives.
Those can still be retrieved by sending retrieve commands to
[e-mail].  For example:

    GET THINK-C/MESSAGES 95-04

will retrieve all messages posted during April 1995.  A complete
subject index through the end of the previous month can be retrieved
with:

    GET THINK-C/MESSAGES SUBJECT.INDEX

All other files will be removed.  For those that have no ftp access,
please try one of the fine ftpmail servers, such as
[e-mail] (send the message "help" to learn how to use that
service).

I have set up an automatic scanning process to generate an archive
file list sorted by descending addition date.  This file is stored as:

    ftp://ftp.rdatasys.com/pub/think-c/00recent.txt

I will also be setting up automatic file indexes from file preamble
sections (like info-mac has).

If you have any questions, please ask!

Mark
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Mark D. Nagel <[e-mail]>       Relational Data Systems
                                              30 Executive Park, Suite 260
Don't steal, the government hates             Irvine, CA 92714
competition.                                  [phone]
>From [e-mail] Wed Jul  5 22:55:55 PDT 1995
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I said earlier that a ftpmail gateway could be reached at
[e-mail].  That's wrong.  I believe the correct address is
[e-mail].

Mark
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Mark D. Nagel <[e-mail]>       Relational Data Systems
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Don't steal, the government hates             Irvine, CA 92714
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>From [e-mail] Thu Jul  6 09:18:14 PDT 1995
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Subject: take me off this list please

Now. Thank You.

-dan


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From: "Mark D. Nagel" <[e-mail]>

I found the definitive list of ftpmail servers -- here it is:

FTPMail Servers List.

This is a list of all the ftpmail servers in the world. To add new servers
to this list please mail the email address of the server and details of any
restrictions to [e-mail].

Europe.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.23 (experimental).
     Restrictions: none listed.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.23 (experimental), with a few modifications for
     trapping jobs from people who request well-known packages from other
     places.
     Restrictions:

     Policy of use for this server.  If you don't agree, don't use it !

     -  Do not request files already stored on the local archive from
        remote sites. We have some stuff on-line: FAQs, GNUs, RFCs, BSD, Unix mail
        and news applications and many others!.  Remember our ftp server does
        online files compression/uncompression and taring if needed.

     -  All transfers must obey the french laws as well as other's.

     -  We are located in France, Europe.  Avoid connecting to sites outside
        of Europe.

     -  Please European users only (except for the local archive where all users
        may use this ftpmail server).  Other ftpmail services exist !

     -  Only ``anonymous'' transfers are allowed.

     -  All transfers are logged. In case of problems caused by a request we will
        give out the logs to the complaining site.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.20.
     Restrictions: none listed.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.20 with local mods.
     Restrictions:

     ls -R

     disabled.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using Squirrel Mail Server Software V3.01B.
     Restrictions: none listed.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.??.
     Restrictions: Accessible only from portuguese nodes (under .pt).

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.??.
     Restrictions: none listed.

USA

   *

     [e-mail]

     Restrictions: none listed.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.20.
     Restrictions: none listed.

   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.19.
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   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.19.
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   *

     [e-mail]

     using ftpmail 1.19.
     Restrictions: primarily intended for access to the Comprehensive TeX
     Archive Network (CTAN) on ftp.SHSU.edu.

Australia

   *

     [e-mail]

     Restrictions: none listed.

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Mark D. Nagel <[e-mail]>       Relational Data Systems
                                              30 Executive Park, Suite 260
Don't steal, the government hates             Irvine, CA 92714
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>From [e-mail] Thu Jul  6 10:23:38 PDT 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gregory Reichhart)
Subject: AppleTalk

Could somebody please email me examples of how to use the prefered
appletalk calls to get zone names, register a name on the network, and
transfer data using appletalk (ADSP?).


Kevin Gregory Reichhart
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Computer Consultant for SUNY Potsdam Residence Life
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>From [e-mail] Thu Jul  6 11:37:19 PDT 1995
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From: "Brian Gray"  <[e-mail]>
Date:     6 Jul 1995 13:43:33 CDT
Subject:  Problem with iostreams
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Please forgive the "newbie" question (I am new to C and C++), but I am
having a problem using C++ IOStreams to read data from a string in memory.
I have attached a copy of the "stripped down" section of program below.

If I leave out the four commented lines for just one pass through the
string, the data values are read correctly into the array.  With the
commented lines left in for two passes through the string, I get trash
values on the second pass to read values into the array.



#include <iostream.h>
#include <strstrea.h>

void main () {

        char chr,str[80]="1\t0.7\t3.2\r1\t1.4\t4.2\0";
        double **array, d;
        int n=2, p=3;

        istrstream s(str,80);

//    while (s) {
//        s.get(chr);
//              }

        array = new double* [n];
        for (int i=0; i<n; i++)
                array[i] = new double [p];

//       s.seekg(0,ios::beg);

        for (i=0; i<n; i++)
                  for (int j=0; j< p; j++)
                        s >> array[i][j];

}



I am sure the answer is simple, so please just respond directly to me.

TIA for the help.

Brian


Brian Gray
Department of Management Science and Statistics
University of Alabama
Tuscaloosa, Alabama  35487-0226

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>From [e-mail] Sun Jul  9 19:52:57 PDT 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj)
Subject: OK, where is it???   (Was: Is 7.0.4 the most recent
Cc: [e-mail]

At 20:12 12/31/94, Rick Hartmann wrote:
>Yes, 7.0.4 is the most recent but look for 7.0.5 coming soon.  You must
>have 7.0.4 now if you are running System 7.5 or the debugger won't work
>well.
>
>Rick Hartmann
>Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support


Hi,

   Unless I missed something, what happened to 7.0.5?  It's half a year
later...

        Thanks!


                        Bohdan


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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:50:13 -0500
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (Phil Shapiro)
Subject: Re: OK, where is it???   (Was: Is 7.0.4 the most recent
Cc: [e-mail]

>At 20:12 12/31/94, Rick Hartmann wrote:
>>Yes, 7.0.4 is the most recent but look for 7.0.5 coming soon.  You must
>>have 7.0.4 now if you are running System 7.5 or the debugger won't work
>>well.
>>
>>Rick Hartmann
>>Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
>
>   Unless I missed something, what happened to 7.0.5?  It's half a year
>later...

Most likely what Rick was referring to in this email was compiler fixes for
the C++ compiler. These fixes are in the 8.0 version compilers, which you
can update to using an online updater. There have been no further updates
to the 7.0 environment (the 7.0.4 release was also a compiler-only update,
I believe).

        -phil

Phil Shapiro                                   Symantec Corporation
Senior Software Engineer (Debuggers)            Mac Dev Tools Group
                 Internet:  [e-mail]


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To: [e-mail] (Phil Shapiro)
From: [e-mail] (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re: OK, where is it???   (Was: Is 7.0.4 the most recent
Cc: [e-mail]

At 12:50 7/10/95, Phil Shapiro wrote:


>Most likely what Rick was referring to in this email was compiler fixes for
>the C++ compiler. These fixes are in the 8.0 version compilers, which you
>can update to using an online updater. There have been no further updates
>to the 7.0 environment (the 7.0.4 release was also a compiler-only update,
>I believe).

Thank you so much for your prompt response!

Um, does this mean I can update my 7.0.4 environment to 8.0 without
paying for an upgrade?  (Where would I go again?)

I've been out of the Mac/C++ world for a year or so, and am just getting
back in.

Thanks in advance for your time and help!


                        Bohdan


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From: Don Byrd <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Modern Memory Mgr with TC 6
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail]

My application seems to have big problems on PowerMacs with Modern Memory
Manager (henceforth "MMM"). I'm using THINK C 6.0.1. One of my users
showed me how, with MMM turned on on his PowerMac 7100/66 (System 7.1.2),
a certain command instantly, and fairly (though not completely)
consistently, froze the machine--you couldn't move the cursor or get into
MacsBug.

Then I tried doing the same thing he did with my app on several non-
Power-Macs and never had any problems at all. However, on my own 7100/66,
with MMM on, I get similar results to what my user got; with it off, no
problems at all. So it sure looks as if this is cause and effect!
Unfortunately, the user has been at a seminar and completely unavailable
since I made this discovery, so I haven't been able to find out if turning
MMM off makes his machine happy.

On the other hand, one of my friends' apps, compiled with THINK C 5.0.4,
seems to work fine with MMM, though he told he had terrible problems running
TC *itself* with MMM.

Is Modern Memory Manager a known compatability problem with TC 6.0 (esp.
6.0.1)?

--Don Byrd
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From: [e-mail] (Magnus Markling)
Subject: #pragma option-directive

Hi!

I=B4ve just (yesterday) started using the profiler that comes with THINK C
7.0. At first it didn=B4t work all, but then I realized that I had to check
both "Use profiler" and "Always generate stack frames". Then it worked.

Now to my question:
What is the #pragma option-directive for "Always generate stack frames"
called? The directive for "Use profiler" is simply "profile", that I
figured out myself. A list of all directives would be VERY nice!

AdvThanksAnce!  (I got this from another e-mail sent to me)


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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:37:35 -0600
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (Bruce Alspaugh)
Subject: Re: Modern Memory Mgr with TC 6
Cc: [e-mail]

Don,

        The Modern Memory Manager (MMM) is not nearly as forgiving as the
old memory manager.  You may be doing something in your program that may be
incorrect but only shows up under MMM.  I would recommend that you study
Macintosh Technical Note ME 13:  Memory Manager Compatibility, and ME 14:
New Memory Manager.  Apple's technical notes are available at http:
//www.info.apple.com/dev/technotes/Main.html.

        I would also recommend testing all programs for memory management
problems before shipping using MacsBug's HS command to scramble the heap to
see if it causes your application to crash.  I would also use the leaks
dcmd for MacsBug to hunt for memory leaks.

Hope this helps,


Bruce Alspaugh

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To: [e-mail]
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Subject: serious bug in PowerPC C Global Optimizer
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:58:47 -0400
From: John Wiggins (LS TP/496 508-262-1021) <[e-mail]>

I think this worth the wide distribution, since there is either:

        1) a very serious bug in the PowerPC C (v8.0.1)
           global optimization option, or
        2) I have fallen into a very subtle trap and others may
           repeat this time-consuming "operator error."

First, the Global optimization seems to be fine on the Think Project
Manager 7.0.4 running on my MC68040.  The bug is present only on the
PowerPC C.  I am using the latest SPM 8.0.1, and try to run with
"Strict ANSI C", using 32-bit ints, and do not use any c++ at this
time.  My code ports back and forth between SUN workstations, and I
compile for the SUN using GNU C compilers.

I get incorrect return values for the function call when I use the
PowerPC C global optimization option.  I optimize for time, I have not
tried optimizing for space.  The program and subroutine seems to work
correctly if I do not optimize the PPC code.

The bug happens with a function of the form:

/* global constants */
int  const_1, const_2;
int  const_3, const_4;
int  const_5, const_6;
int  const_7, const_8;

/* the function in question */
int conn_memory(variable_1, variable_2, variable_3, variable_4, variable_5,
        variable_6, variable_7, variable_8 )
int variable_1, variable_2, variable_3, variable_4, variable_5, variable_6,
        variable_7, variable_8;
{
  int memory_used;
  memory_used = (
                 ( const_1 * variable_1 ) +
                 ( const_2 * variable_2 ) +
                 ( const_3 * variable_3 ) +
                 ( const_4 * variable_4 ) +
                 ( const_5 * variable_5 ) +
                 ( const_6 * variable_6 ) +
                 ( const_7 * variable_7 ) +
                 ( const_8 * variable_8 ) );
  return ( memory_used );
  /* note: bug in Code Optimization on the PPC. If return result directly get
         inconsistent answers, 11Jul95, PM 7100/80AV, sys 7.5.1
         global optimizer ( I select Optimize for time)
        Symantec Project Manager 8.0.1, Power PC C Strict ANSI C
         DO NOT USE THE GLOBAL OPTIMIZER ON THE PPC
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ */
}

If I change the form of the expression to
        memory_used = ( const_1 * variable_1 );
        memory_used += ( const_2 * variable_2 );
        memory_used += ( const_3 * variable_3 );
        memory_used += ( const_4 * variable_4 );
        memory_used += ( const_5 * variable_5 );
        memory_used += ( const_6 * variable_6 );
        memory_used += ( const_7 * variable_7 );
        memory_used += ( const_8 * variable_8 );

Then I can get the correct result, at least some times, with the PPC
global optimizer enabled.  I have also played with trying to "use" the
memory_used local variable before the return statement-- sometimes
with correct and sometimes with incorrect results.


Phil and Symantec folks:

How do I report this bug?  I have a folder with a short project
demonstrating this bug, and PPC application with/without the optimizer
bug enabled.  I would be happy to send to this folder to you if you
cannot reproduce the problem yourself.


Thanks,

John
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 11:32:45 -0600
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (Bruce Alspaugh)
Subject: Re: serious bug in PowerPC C Global Optimizer
Cc: [e-mail]

John,

        Earlier this year I found some serious bugs in the 68K global
optimizer.  I sent Symantec a detailed bug report.  They got back to me
right away with confirmation of the problem and the fixes showed up in the
8.0 compiler upgrade.  Thus, I am not the least bit surprised that you
would find bugs in the PPC global optimizer.

        The address to send bug reports of this nature is
[e-mail]

Hope this helps,


Bruce Alspaugh

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>From Caddetc, Tue Jul 18 01:27:00 PDT 1995
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From: "Mark Davies, Caddetc, (44) 532 305005" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
CC: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac LC's

Somewhile ago I was contracted to write a Mac application.

Everything went fine and is now out in the field with some 250+ users. Apart
from the normal enhancement bugs I get one very serious one. That is the
software will not run on a Macintosh LC. Everything else is fine.

I suspect that it is to do with memory as the program searches data files
gathering results based on search criteria. The program does the first pass
and then always crashes on the second.

The programs runs on System 6 upwards, the machines at fault are running 7.01
and the software was written with Symantec C++ 7.0.

Is there something funny with the LC's the workaround the users have got at the
moment is to use one of their other machines.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards

Mark Davies
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Subject:  Trivial questions on Symantec C v8
To: [e-mail]

Message written at 16 Jul 1995 20:51:58 +0100

I am sure this is a trivial question, but I have failed to find the
solution despite spending a great deal of time on it.

On the C v8, where are the functions CtoPstr and PtoCstr kept?  I mean
which libraries should I include?  I have my program build apart from
that.  It is a port from Think_C v 5 (and ANSI C unix systems).

==John
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From: "Tarasov Vitaly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Update Event
To: "Think C Server" <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/MS 3.0.0

Hi, All:

I'm not sure if it's a Think C question, but here it is: why do I get an
Update Event as soon as I put my window? It totally makes no sense to me - I
just drew the window and the system tells me that I need to update it! Am I
missing something simple?

Vitaly

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To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail]
From: [e-mail]
Subject: letter from Olga!  =)                                                                                            (Unverified)
Message-ID:  <[e-mail]>


     Not to long ago, I posted a message re: meeting women of the former
soviet union through romance ads.

     In August, Olga will travel to Moscow from her home in Kiev, Ukraine.
In Moscow, Olga will have a much easier and cost efficient means to place
your personal romance ad throughout Russia.

Last week I received the following from Olga:

     "I have already sent your ad to the papers in such towns: Moscow,
St. Petersburg, Vladimir, Kazan.  At nearest future I will send your ad to the
paper in some more 12 towns of Russia, where papers are published.
     Some times (in winter, spring & now) I placed your ad in other papers,
but they are not most popular paper in Moscow and some large cities of Russia.
     Besides, I am continuing to place your ad in papers of Ukraine.  I
promise to place your ad in some other papers when I will come to Moscow in
August.  I am glad that you have received fairly many letters from Russian &
Ukrainian girls and I think you will received some more ones and will find
your ideal in my country soon.
     I thank you very much ones more for your kindness & your help.
My best wishes,

Olga"

     This isn't a scam - call it panhandling if you want. . . I sent her $40
or $50 and I've received over 45 responses.  Unlike placing romance ads in
the U.S., women from the former USSR respond.  Although one would guess the
are doing so in the hopes of American citizenship, I haven't found it so.

     Olga lives in Kiev, Ukraine (population 3 million) and will travel to
Moscow in August to visit her father.  If you were to send a letter this
week, she would receive it in time.  The population of Moscow is 10 million
-- (3 times the size of Los Angeles.)

     Feel free to send a letter and ask her your questions.  She will be happy
to respond.

Olga's address:

Ukraine
Kiev 253121
Dekabristov Street 5 - 178
Olga Kozmina

     I am posting anonymously because of the flames and volume of inquiries
that would result otherwise.  I think those who are truely interested will
take the time to write.
_____________________________________________________________________________
To: probable flamer
Subject: polite note

     Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette,"
she believes that offering lonely singles the possibility of romance exceeds
the cost of angering those who feel the net shouldn't be used in this fashion.
     IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site.

peace. . .

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Subject:  Starting with Symantec V8
To: [e-mail]

Message written at 25 Jul 1995 10:35:21 +0100

I have been using Think C 5.0 happiliy for some years, but I have just
moved on to a PPC, and in the process updated to Symantec C++ v8.  It
may just be me but it does seem a lot less stable.

In particular, I have two problems in moving a program onto the new
environment.

1.  The linker reports that the two functions PtoCstr and CtoPstr are
not defined.  I can (and have) written my own replacements, but where
are they syupposed to live?

2.  The application starts in a conventional way initialising things,
but when it attempts to set up the menus the machine hangs.  The code
in question says

setupMenuBar()
{
        SetMenuBar(GetNewMBar(1));
        AddResMenu(GetMHandle(1), 'DRVR');
        DrawMenuBar();
}

and single stepping shows that it collapses in the AddresMenu
function, with no diagnostic.  Alternatively it hangs the machine.  I
did attempt to comment out that line, but then the DrawMenuBar said
that I did not have a floating point co-processor.

It is possible that I have failed some simple test, like failing to
load the correct library.  I would appreciate assistance in getting
going again.

==John ffitch
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                                    (Unverified)

At 09:58 26.07.95, [e-mail] wrote:

What a clueless geek.

>
>     Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette,"
>she believes that offering lonely singles the possibility of romance exceeds
>the cost of angering those who feel the net shouldn't be used in this fashion.
>     IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site.
>
>peace. . .


Analysis of the message id shows:

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Another freshman who just learned SMTP, I see.

Sheesh.



                                Bohdan




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> I'm not sure if it's a Think C question, but here it is: why do I get
> an Update Event as soon as I put my window? It totally makes no sense
> to me - I just drew the window and the system tells me that I need
> to update it! Am I missing something simple?
>
> Vitaly

Essentially, the system is telling you that everything in the window is
invalid and that it needs to be updated. The system considers the window an
open void that needs to be filled.

When you first open the window, don't draw anything in it. When you process
the update event for that window, that is when you'll do the drawing.

Greg Francis

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John,

They were changed to c2pstr and p2cstr in the 8.0 release.  Sorry for the
confusion.  They will link with the regular libraries.  Nothing extra
needed.

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support

On 7/26/95 you wrote:>Message written at 16 Jul 1995 20:51:58 +0100
>
>I am sure this is a trivial question, but I have failed to find the
>solution despite spending a great deal of time on it.
>
>On the C v8, where are the functions CtoPstr and PtoCstr kept?  I mean
>which libraries should I include?  I have my program build apart from
>that.  It is a port from Think_C v 5 (and ANSI C unix systems).
>
>==John


>From [e-mail] Wed Jul 26 15:28:07 PDT 1995
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>2.  The application starts in a conventional way initialising things,
>but when it attempts to set up the menus the machine hangs.  The code
>in question says
>
>setupMenuBar()
>{
>        SetMenuBar(GetNewMBar(1));
>        AddResMenu(GetMHandle(1), 'DRVR');
>        DrawMenuBar();
>}
>
>and single stepping shows that it collapses in the AddresMenu
>function, with no diagnostic.  Alternatively it hangs the machine.  I
>did attempt to comment out that line, but then the DrawMenuBar said
>that I did not have a floating point co-processor.

This typically happens when you don't have any resources and GetMHandle()
returns nil. Check and make sure that you've got your MBAR and MENU
resources in your project. You may also want to rewrite your setup routine
so it checks the result of GetMHandle() before passing it on to
AddResMenu().

        -phil

Phil Shapiro                                   Symantec Corporation
Senior Software Engineer (Debuggers)            Mac Dev Tools Group
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you just been flamed I don't what its about think cccp
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Hi
        This is the 1st time I send a msg to the mailing-list, I hope I send it
to the right place.
        Anyway, how do I get the databases for Think Reference 2.0 ( e.g Toolboxessentials, apple events, etc), my machine only have the Online-help and
standard Library databases installed.


Thanks...
Hee Kiang
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On a related note, I believe SC++ version 8.x includes TCL 2.x documentation
on-line in the form of Think Reference databases.  Are these databases
available separately?  I still have SC++ version 7 (I don't have a PowerMac),
though I've updated to TCL 2.0.6, and would LOVE to have the on-line docs
without having to upgrade to a version (8.x) that I can't use.

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One of these days, I'm going to get a PPC...

Anyway, where can I ftp the latest upgrade to SC++?

Thanks,
Jay Lee (and no I don't have a plan or a sig file)
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In Message Sun, 30 Jul 1995 00:46:00 -0400,
  "Andrew C. McDannold" <[e-mail]> writes:

>The last time I called Symantec, they laughed when I talked about FREE
>upgrades.  Is there really a place where one can ftp an upgrade?  I have
>v7, and I would love to get v8 because I have a PowerMac.
>
>If you know of a site, please reply!

    I did a little digging and here is what I came up with:
send an email to [e-mail] with 'help' in the body.  It will
list a command for 'get'ing archives via email.  If you send a message with
'index think-c/updates' it will mail you back with the current updates
available (which are from SC++6.01 to 7.04 unfortunately).

Hope this helps,
Jay
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Subject: Re: ftp-ing SymC++ upgrades?

Jay,

You can download the patches from ftp.symantec.com, sumex-aim.stanford.edu,
or mac.archive.umich.edu or any of their mirror sites via anon FTP.   We
also have links to our updates on our Web pages at www.symantec.com.  (URL:
http://www.symantec.com/servsupp/techsupp/resource/macdev/macdev.html)

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support

On 7/28/95 you wrote:>One of these days, I'm going to get a PPC...
>
>Anyway, where can I ftp the latest upgrade to SC++?
>
>Thanks,
>Jay Lee (and no I don't have a plan or a sig file)


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Subject: Re: TCL 2.0.6 and THINK Reference

On 7/28/95, Robert Fuhrer writes:
>On a related note, I believe SC++ version 8.x includes TCL 2.x documentation
>on-line in the form of Think Reference databases.  Are these databases
>available separately?  I still have SC++ version 7 (I don't have a PowerMac),
>though I've updated to TCL 2.0.6, and would LOVE to have the on-line docs
>without having to upgrade to a version (8.x) that I can't use.

        I can't tell you whether the TR for TCL is available separately,
but I can confirm for you that the 8.0 CD *does* include TR documentation
for TCL.  Unfortunately, like the printed documentation included with
version 7, it is incomplete.  There are many methods in TCL that are
totally undocumented in both the printed and TR form.  I emailed Symantec
about this problem several months ago, including the author of TCL 2.0, and
they have both confirmed this.  I consider incomplete documentation to be a
serious problem, especially since Symantec has known about it for so long
and it is so easy to fix, so there is really no excuse for it.

Bruce Alspaugh

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Cc: [e-mail]
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>One of these days, I'm going to get a PPC...
>
>Anyway, where can I ftp the latest upgrade to SC++?
>

ftp.symantec.com/public/devtool/mac/updaters

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Doug Knowles
Mac Dev Tools Group
Symantec Corporation
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